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Quintal (04/06/2006, 18h32)
francom.esoterisme,fr.soc.sectes,fr.sci.divers

puisque de pauvres sceptiques officient par ici (faux vrais sceptiques
mais vrais faux sceptiques), voici quelques munitions contre ces
propagandistes croyants invétérés.


Suppression, Censorship and Dogmatism in Science


Some notes on Skepticism

"In the United States, there is the so-called "Committee for the
Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal", or short,
CSICOP. The name suggests a serious, unbiased institute or think tank
whose mission is to advance human knowledge by sorting out true
anomalous discoveries from erroneous or fraudulent ones. Indeed, that
was what some of the original members of CSICOP envisioned when they
founded the organization in 1976. But in the very same year, CSICOP
faced an internal crisis, a power struggle between the genuine
skeptics and the disbelieving pseudoskeptics that was to tilt the
balance in favor of the latter.

(snippé paragraphe sur l'affaire Gaucquelin)

But Kurtz and his fellow pseudoskeptics had never been interested in
performing proper science. Their minds had been made up long before
the study was performed, and they adamantly refused to admit their
mistake in public. This lead to the resignation of many fair-minded
CSICOP members, among them Richard Kammann and co-founder Marcello
Truzzi. Truzzi wrote about his experience in Reflections On The
Reception Of Unconventional Claims In Science:

(...) 'My main objection to the Committee, and the reason I chose to
leave it, was that it was taking the public position that it
represented the scientific community, serving as gatekeepers on
maverick claims, whereas I felt they were simply unqualified to act as
judge and jury when they were simply lawyers.'

After the true skeptics had been purged from the committee,
CSICOP and its magazine, the Skeptical Inquirer, degenerated into
little more than a propaganda outlet for the systematic ridicule of
anything unconventional. Led by a small, but highly aggressive group
of fundamentalist pseudoskeptics such as chairman and humanist
philosopher Paul Kurtz, science writer and magician Martin Gardner and
magician James Randi, CSICOP sees science not as a dispassionate,
objective search for the truth, whatever it might be, but as holy war
of the ideology of materialism against "a rising tide of
irrationality, superstition and nonsense". Kurtz and his fellows are
fundamentalist materialists. They hold the nonexistence of paranormal
phenomena as an article of faith, and they cling to that belief just
as fervently and irrationally as a devout catholic believes in the
Virgin Mary. They are fighting a no holds barred war against belief in
the paranormal, and they see genuine research into such matters as a
mortal threat to their belief system. Since genuine scientific study
has the danger that the desired outcome is not guaranteed, CSICOP
wisely no longer conducts scientific research of its own (such would
be a waste of time and money for an entity that already has all the
answers), and instead largely relies on the misrepresentation or
intentional omission of existing research and the ad-hominem - smear,
slander and ridicule."

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La page ci dessus donne un lien vers:

CSICOP and the Skeptics: An Overview
ABSTRACT: The Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of
the Paranormal (CSICOP) has become the most publicly visible
institution engaged in the debate on the paranormal. Initially CSICOP
was primarily a scholarly body, but soon after its beginning it
adopted a popular approach that fostered a more broadly based social
movement. It actively promoted the formation of local societies with
similar aims. Both CSICOP and the local groups have some
distinguishing features. Prestigious scholars are affiliated with
these organizations, a disproportionate number of magicians are
involved, the groups are dominated by men, and many members hold
religious views that are antagonistic to the paranormal. Despite the
name of the organization, actual research is a very low priority of
the Committee. In fact, CSICOP instituted a policy against doing
research itself. CSICOP’s highest priority has been to influence the
media. Its rhetoric and activities are designed to appeal to a broad
audience rather than to scientists who investigate unusual or
controversial phenomena. Recently, the Committee broadened its focus
to include areas outside the paranormal.

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etc.. ya de quoi faire... ah les pauvres. Dire que tout cela est
évident pour toute personne ayant un mental en état de marche, et en
plus c'est rabaché depuis des lustres !
roche.jean (11/06/2006, 20h43)
Bonjour,

"Quintal" <xavier22> a écrit dans le message de news:
lb2682hopb18egefdr91lfeek1rnvmt793...
> francom.esoterisme,fr.soc.sectes,fr.sci.divers
> puisque de pauvres sceptiques officient par ici (faux vrais sceptiques
> mais vrais faux sceptiques), voici quelques munitions contre ces
> propagandistes croyants invétérés.


Normalement (en tout cas à l'origine, voir Pyrrhon), "sceptique" signifie :
"Qui privilégie le doute, la suspension du jugement, comme attitude d'esprit
quand on ne peut pas savoir".

Je n'arrive pas à comprendre par quelle aberration ça a pu devenir
"fanatique de l'incrédulité par rapport à ceci ou cela".

à+

J
Quintal (12/06/2006, 09h05)
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:26 +0200, "roche.jean"
<roche.jean> wrote:

>Bonjour,
>"Quintal" <xavier22> a écrit dans le message de news:
>lb2682hopb18egefdr91lfeek1rnvmt793...
>Normalement (en tout cas à l'origine, voir Pyrrhon), "sceptique" signifie :
>"Qui privilégie le doute, la suspension du jugement, comme attitude d'esprit
>quand on ne peut pas savoir".


oui la définition est rappelée au début de cette page web.
(que je citais, pourquoi l'enlever?
)

>Je n'arrive pas à comprendre par quelle aberration ça a pu devenir
>"fanatique de l'incrédulité par rapport à ceci ou cela".


ben par la naturalité toute bète, que la subjectivité est le propre de
l'homme alors que l'objectivité est une illusion.
François Guillet (18/06/2006, 20h33)
"Quintal" <xavier22> a écrit dans le message de news:
lb2682hopb18egefdr91lfeek1rnvmt793...

| les vrais faux sceptiques sont partout...

Encore une théorie du complot.
"je suis partout", ça te rappelle quelque chose ?

Dès qu'on fait de cas particuliers ou de vagues ragots, une généralité, la
tyrannie n'est pas loin.
Un peu de scepticisme quant à tes assertions ne te ferait pas de mal.
Quintal (22/06/2006, 14h29)
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:33:42 +0200, "François Guillet"
<guillet.francois> wrote:

>"Quintal" <xavier22> a écrit dans le message de news:
>lb2682hopb18egefdr91lfeek1rnvmt793...
>| les vrais faux sceptiques sont partout...
>Encore une théorie du complot.


Encore une théorie du complot.

>"je suis partout", ça te rappelle quelque chose ?


"je suis partout", ça te rappelle quelque chose ?

>Dès qu'on fait de cas particuliers ou de vagues ragots, une généralité, la
>tyrannie n'est pas loin.
>Un peu de scepticisme quant à tes assertions ne te ferait pas de mal.


mdr
lis le site que j'ai cité.
et applique tes propres conseils:

Dès qu'on fait de cas particuliers ou de vagues ragots, une
généralité, la tyrannie n'est pas loin.
Un peu de scepticisme quant à tes assertions ne te ferait pas de mal


Suppression, Censorship and Dogmatism in Science


Some notes on Skepticism.
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