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Samuel DEVULDER (25/04/2014, 20h38)
Apparemment il a utilisé l'amiga pour faire certains essais artistiques.
Ces travaux trainaient sur des diskettes depuis 30ans et ont été
retrouvées il y a peu.

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Ca ressemble un peu à un Hoax, mais la presse généraliste en parle et il
y a une vidéo qui le montre utilisant la machine pour numériser le
portrait de Debbie Harry (aka. Blondie)

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(contient la video en anglais)

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sam.
Tonton Th (26/04/2014, 00h19)
On 2014-04-25, Samuel DEVULDER <samuel-dot-devulder-at-laposte-dot-net> wrote:

> Ca ressemble un peu à un Hoax, mais la presse généraliste en parle et il
> y a une vidéo qui le montre utilisant la machine pour numériser le
> portrait de Debbie Harry (aka. Blondie)


Je crois pas que ce soit un hoax, je suis même quasiment certain
d'avoir lu un magazine de l'époque qui en parle.

Peut-être Byte ? Peut-être Micro-Systèmes ?
Samuel DEVULDER (26/04/2014, 01h39)
Le 26/04/2014 00:19, Tonton Th a écrit :
> On 2014-04-25, Samuel DEVULDER <samuel-dot-devulder-at-laposte-dot-net> wrote:
>> Ca ressemble un peu à un Hoax, mais la presse généraliste en parle et il
>> y a une vidéo qui le montre utilisant la machine pour numériser le
>> portrait de Debbie Harry (aka. Blondie)

> Je crois pas que ce soit un hoax, je suis même quasiment certain
> d'avoir lu un magazine de l'époque qui en parle.


Oui: Amiga World,

Le hoax serait que l'on aurait retrouvé récemment ces fameuses D7 alors
qu'en fait on avait des video et des interview de Wahrol travaillant sur
amiga. Hoax n'est pas vraiment le bon terme... mais dans cette histoire
de D7 je sent comme un truc peut-être à moitié inventé/idéalisé parce
qu'à l'époque cela se savait qu'il expérimentait sur amiga et qu'il
n'était pas très difficile de savoir que les D7 était précieusement
conservée au musée Warhol. Le type ayant soit disant fait la découverte
de ces D7 fait la promotion d'un film qui raconte les expériences de
Warhol sur amiga. On en saura peut-être plus sur cette découverte à ce
moment là:



mais j'ai le sentiment que cela racontera peut être une ré-écriture de
ce qu'il se disait par le passé (2011):
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Sinon au niveau des softs utilisés (ProPaint V27 Release 14 et
GraphiCraft v27 Release 06 de Island Graphics), je n'ai pas souvenir
qu'ils aient fait une longue carrière sur amiga.

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sam.
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(*) Dans l'histoire de 2011 ce serait Don Greenbaum qui aurait été le
1er à récupérer les D7 de Warhol. L'histoire reportée par les journaux
actuels me semble être une ré-écriture de l'histoire.

Voici le verbatim d'un article de 2011 qui raconte une tout autre histoire.

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Andy Warhol created digital art ?in 1985! Where is it now?

Darrelyn Gunzburg reports on an art detective story from the beginning
of the digital age.

On three occasions I have been privileged to interview people who have
beeninvolved with revealing major lost or unknown art works. In 2007
Iinterviewed Michael Liversidge on his identification of two ?lost? Fra
Angelicopaintings. These panels had been missing from the San Marco
altarpiece(c.1438?40) since the Napoleonic occupation of Florence at the
end of the18th century. This interview was published in
The Art Book
in June 2007 andI felt fortunate and exhilarated to have met an art
historian who was sointimately connected with a unique event. Then in
December 2010 DavidGlasser, co-chairman of Ben Uri, London Jewish Museum
of Art, stumbledupon an unknown sketch by Marc Chagall entitled
Apocalypse in Lilac:Capriccio
in the catalogue of leading French auction house Tajan andpurchased it
for Ben Uri. Again, I was the person who interviewed him aboutthis. When
a third such opportunity occurred I began to feel as if I were amagnet
for people connected with recovering art works. This article is thestory
of that third event.

In May 2011 my partner and I were staying with our friends Don and
DorianGreenbaum in Massachusetts. I was waxing lyrical about an
interview I had just completed with Elliot Davis at Boston?s Museum of
Fine Arts. Don lookedat me, plainly struck by a sudden thought: ?Are you
interested in a story on Andy Warhol's original digital art??In 1985,
Don Greenbaum was the chief financial officer for
CommodoreInternational, in New York. Don shared an office in the Seagram
Building withthe chairman, Irving Gould. Commodore acquired the Amiga
computer in1984 and spent $27 million on completing both hardware and
softwaredesign. By the spring of 1985 the Amiga 1000 was way ahead of
anythingavailable on the market. It boasted video of 4096 possible
colours, 8-bit stereosound, 256K of memory and a graphic interface of
248 colours, all of which was revolutionary. The IBM PC still operated
in black and white. Also, the Amiga could handle Paint programs with
which neither the Apple, nor the PC,nor even the Commodore 64, could
compete. More importantly, the coloursand memory allowed for the
development of highly sophisticated (for thetime) graphic processing. It
was clear this was a machine that could beimportant to artists.Stephen
Greenberg handled Commodore?s public relations. When the officiallaunch
was being planned he wanted a Pop artist to introduce the Amiga tothe
art community. Greenberg knew Andy Warhol personally and Andy washighly
receptive to the idea. On 14 June 1985, Andy went to the SeagramBuilding
and Don gave him a demo of the machine and the drawingsoftware. As Don
says, ?Andy was captivated with this new medium and spenta lot more time
with us than he planned?. So Commodore hired him toproduce some art for
the planned July launch and appear at the launch.They outfitted Andy?s
33rd Street studio with a prototype Amiga. As themachine wasn?t yet on
the market, it came with pre-production software: apre-release version
of an art program called Pro Paint. Don was the only employee in New
York proficient with the Amiga and so Irving Gould askedhim to work with
Andy. Don visited Andy?s studio several times, and worked with him when
issues arose. Andy was enthralled with the machine andquickly set out to
learn the software and master the mouse ? at the time alittle-used
device.Don remembers it all vividly. ?He was in his own world. You could
talk to him but you could see that behind the eyes the mind was always
thinking way ahead of you, focusing on what he could do with the machine
rather than what you were telling him. His first attempt at a signature
was what you expect anadolescent to scrawl with a crayon. Within a day
he was signing his iconicsignature. What was interesting was that this
was a man who didn?t use acomputer, but once he clicked on Autofill or
on one of the drawing tools, henever forgot it. I?d go back a week later
and he?d be doing stuff as if he?d takena tutorial on every single thing
the software did, and a couple of times he said?It would be neat if you
could do this or you could do this or you could dothat?.?

On 15 July 1985 Island Graphics (developers of the Paint program)
rushedover a new version of Graphic Craft, fixing bugs that were
hindering Andy?sprogress. Don called on Andy to deliver it and see how
he was faring (thelaunch was now only week away). There on the Amiga
computer screen wereimages of Marilyn Monroe, self-portraits, lilies, a
dollar sign, even aCampbell?s soup can. Andy had played around with all
his iconic ?calling cards?and all were expressed in this mint-new
computer graphics medium. Andy had Don copy nine of them onto a floppy
disk for delivery to Commodore?smarketing arm, which was preparing the
launch material. The highly excitedadvertising executives wanted Andy to
do a live computer portrait at thelaunch. Andy, also enthusiastic about
this new medium, wholeheartedly agreed. The launch was held at Lincoln
Center on 23 July 1985, and you canstill see Andy?s Amiga launch
portrait of Debbie Harry on YouTube.?He was an innovator? says Don, ?a
revolutionary and who knows, if he hadn?tdied, that could have been his
medium of choice. I remember when we first setup the camera to do photo
capture, he looked at it and he looked at the imagefrom the camera going
right into a computer and you could just see the wheelsturning.?Watch
him in the YouTube video staring intently at the screen when he?staking
a picture of Debbie Harry. The whole medium of digital photography was
perfect for what Andy did. He?d go to shoots and take Polaroid images
andthen turn them into art by painting over them. Now he could just take
a videocamera still shot and draw on it, and that was a perfect Andy
Warhol type of medium because so much of his work was portraits.? A
little over 18 months later Andy was dead.But what happened to those
first Andy Warhol digital art images that heproduced when he was
learning to use the Amiga?Searching his office, which is full of
Commodore mementos from the 1980s,Don had already found a box of
Commodore floppies, including a disk labelled?Andy v27? prior to my
visit. Looking at it, the time that he spent with Andy and the launch of
the Amiga 1000 came back to him vividly: ?I rememberlooking at this disc
and thinking [pause]? ?Wow! Could this be the Andy Warhol pictures??
?It had been years since he had thrown out his own Amiga 1000. Within
daysof my visit, Don found an original Amiga1000 on eBay along with
disks of thesoftware, Deluxe Paint, the paint program marketed for the
Amiga. Inanticipation he loaded the disk. To his delight, the files were
all there. To hischagrin, the files would not open. He remembered that
the program used onthe first Amiga operating system (and visible in the
YouTube video when Andy created the Debbie Harry portrait) was Pro
Paint.Determined not to be defeated by ancient technology, Don joined
several Amiga forums, made enquiries and procured various releases of
Pro Paint. Allthe programs did, when attempting to open the pictures,
was to reboot the Amiga. ?Perhaps?, thought Don, ?the files are just too
corrupted after 20 yearsof being on the floppy?. But Don is not a man
who gives up easily. He tried any

paint program he could find. Nothing. Don returned to the Amiga user
groups,quizzing them about the file?s structure. The replies came back:
that filestructure was from the pre-release version of Pro Paint ? and
nobody ownsthis program now.Don looked at the growing pile of floppies
and emails. Everywhere he turneddoors were closing. Then, just as he
decided it was time to put memories andthis old technology to rest, he
noticed a forum posting by Alessandro Bartelettiregarding art on the
early Amiga. Alessandro is a bright young Italianphotographer who was
just three years old when the Amiga was launched.Don and Alessandro
started a correspondence, each as determined as theother to reclaim this
piece of history. Alessandro confirmed that the files werestill intact.
While they seemed to be image files, however, every attempt toopen them
continued to end in machine reboots.Then, Alessandro noticed a file on
the disk designated ?Andy?. In June 1985,no windows-like operating
system existed, and what Don had was AmigaDOS. Programs were opened from
a DOS prompt and everything hadto be on the same disk to run. Those
early programmers renamed the program?Andy? to make it easier to run the
software. Thus ?Andy v27? had nothing to do with Andy Warhol. It was the
software to create the images. Here was themissing link, not ProPaint
but a pre-release piece of software that was nevermarketed. It had been
in Don?s possession all along. In fact, it may be theonly copy left. Don
had initially tried to open it, but when it crashed hismachine he left
it alone. Alessandro was positive this was the key to therestoration of
the graphic files. But it wouldn?t run. Was this yet another brick
wall?Finally, Alessandro emailed Don with some exciting news. He had
realizedthat owing to the way the Amiga handled memory, Don needed a
pre-release version of the boot ROM, which the motherboard would need to
run thedisc. Alessandro painstakingly searched his sources and found a
version of the June 1985 motherboard ROM. Lo and behold, he got ?Andy?
to run. Thescreen showed ?GraphiCraft Beta Release 06 for V27, 15 July
1985?, exactly asshown on the pictures displayed from the Amiga Lincoln
Center launch. This was probably the first time in decades this software
had been run.Now Don was excited. Were the files still readable? He
booted his Amiga1000 with the pre-release ROM Alessandro had supplied.
He inserted thefloppy marked ?Andy V27? and got an Amiga Dos prompt. At
the prompt hetyped ?andy? and up popped GraphicCraft. He right clicked
the toolbar and
open picture
was now a choice. Nine picture names were displayed. They opened. ALL OF
THEM. For the first time in over 26 years Don was runningGraphiCraft
pre-release again and viewing Andy Warhol?s artwork! Theimages were
exactly as he remembered them. He immediately emailed Alessandro,
sharing his success. Aided by the brilliant techno-sleuthing of
Alessandro Barteletti, Don enjoyedthe challenge and success of finally
being able to open the disc and look downmemory lane. This disc is Don?s
own copy. He has now been able to copy theimages to a PC format and they
are saved as JPGs so I could also view them.

After my visit, while Don was amassing his new collection of Amiga
hardwareand software, he contacted the Andy Warhol Foundation for the
Arts and the Andy Warhol Museum, as well as former assistants to Andy
Warhol, toresearch more of this history. Vincent Fremont, who worked
closely with Andy, remembers how Andy had learnt to use the Amiga
computer at the 33rdStreet studio and that there had been at least one
disk of Andy's early computer art. Don is certain they met at the studio
as his office was rightnext to where the Amiga was set up. Vincent did
not, however, know whathad become of the computer or the disc. He
believes copies of theCommodore agreement with Andy are in the archives
in Pittsburgh.Nevertheless even if the Museum does have any of the Amiga
floppies fromthe 33rdStreet studio, Don Greenbaum and Alessandro
Barteletti take theirplace in history as the men who restored Andy?s
first and, it would seem, only foray into digital art. Just as the great
conservators of the past have been ableto restore Great Masters, Don?s
and Alessandro?s expertise and painstaking work have resurrected Andy?s
images from the old technology. The ?Nine Warhols?, all signed by him
and including three self-portraits, waiting in the wings for over a
quarter of a century, may yet take their rightful place amongst Andy
Warhol?s
oeuvre
..Credits Author:Darrelyn GunzburgLocation:University of BristolRole: Art
historian
Background info
See the You Tube video mentioned by Don Greenbaum
onhttp://www.youtube.com/v/3oqUd8utr14&hl=en Andy Warhol (1928?1987)died
in his sleep in New York City at 6:32 a.m. on 22 February 1987,
themorning after undergoing surgery for the removal of his gall bladder.
The world mourned the loss of this innovative talent. The Andy
WarholFoundation for the Arts was established in 1987 in New York and on
13 May 1994 the Andy Warhol Museum was established in Pittsburgh,
Warhol?s nativecity. Warhol had begun his career as a commercial artist
working foradvertising agencies, and later moved on to painting, often
based onphotographs, and film work. He was one of the first American Pop
artists andremains an influential figure.
Samuel DEVULDER (26/04/2014, 02h12)
Le 26/04/2014 00:19, Tonton Th a écrit :
> On 2014-04-25, Samuel DEVULDER <samuel-dot-devulder-at-laposte-dot-net> wrote:
>> Ca ressemble un peu à un Hoax, mais la presse généraliste en parle et il
>> y a une vidéo qui le montre utilisant la machine pour numériser le
>> portrait de Debbie Harry (aka. Blondie)

> Je crois pas que ce soit un hoax, je suis même quasiment certain
> d'avoir lu un magazine de l'époque qui en parle.


Oui: Amiga World,

Le hoax serait que l'on aurait retrouvé récemment ces fameuses D7 alors
qu'en fait on avait des video et des interview de Wahrol travaillant sur
amiga. Hoax n'est pas vraiment le bon terme... mais dans cette histoire
de D7 je sent comme un truc peut-être à moitié inventé/idéalisé parce
que j'ai trouvé une tout autre histoire dans un article de 2011 d'un
historien de l'art:



En outre il y a tout un buzz autour d'un film qui raconte l'histoire de
la découverte des D7 de Warhol en 2013 qui sera dévoilé en mai prochain:



Il me semble là qu'on a là peut-être une belle manip de ré-écriture de
la réalité. (Je détaille mon point de vue ici:
)

Sinon au niveau des softs utilisés (ProPaint V27 Release 14 et
GraphiCraft v27 Release 06 de Island Graphics), je n'ai pas souvenir
qu'ils aient fait une longue carrière sur amiga.

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sam.
LeGlod (15/06/2014, 06h43)
Le 26/04/2014 02:12, Samuel DEVULDER a écrit :
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> qu'ils aient fait une longue carrière sur amiga.
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> sam.

En tout c'est bien moche comme dessin et dire que ca doit couter une
fortune, decidement j'y comprend rien a l'art !
GARNI Lionel (15/06/2014, 12h41)
Le 15/06/14 6:43, dans 539d248c$0$2268$426a74cc, « LeGlod »
<leglod> a écrit :

> Le 26/04/2014 02:12, Samuel DEVULDER a écrit :
> En tout c'est bien moche comme dessin et dire que ca doit couter une
> fortune, decidement j'y comprend rien a l'art !


Oui effectivement, la carrière fut courte!
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